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[Happyman]

Have you been to Aqua Bay? Heard a mix of girls, some are more mature 30s and some younger 20s.

 

[SuperSport]

Hey XTC, new guy here, but not new to the business

In this post you've made I noticed a few things, at least some of which are not often done. You compliment the boss well and I like your writing style because it can effectively highlight important points, but you also provide some details informing how things work (could be the same or similar elsewhere as well I suppose) and that all goes toward supporting your statement. It's done short and it's done sweet, nice.

In my opinion, in cases like these (and there's many more variations, again imo), but specifically for now in this case you describe, is it really, really, B&S when you break it all down? Not writing here about what I consider "real" B&S, that being where there's an unmistakable conscious effort to purposely deceive and manipulate a client as "the" business model. As opposed to the "appearance" and resemblance of B&S due to strategic methods used going towards success in achieving not just a business model, but in support of the MPA, maintaining quality MPA's, and sustainability overall. The end result or hope is, an ability to better service the client, not simply take his money and give him the boot never to be seen again - like most real B&S places.

An example might be: An MPA has had no customers through half the day, the two or three other girls have all had both repeat appoints made, and each at least taking in a one walk-in. All walk-in's preferring the busy girls, maybe they heard of them before, or it was looks, who knows and does not matter. The MPA without work is maybe new, the Manager see's what's going on here, the other girl's see it too, I'm thinking most times they (busy girl's) are not heartless and may become somehow involved and even might ask themselves, "why is the Manager not doing more to try and get this new MPA work?" Or more selfishly, the busy MPA's might think, "When the time comes and I need some help, I hope the Manager steps up for me, not just in these cases but anything else that might arise?" The Managers thinking, "Well, come busy time certainly the new MPA will get work, but if this keeps up, she might walk before then. At busy time, I'm faced with 5 customers every 30 minutes (they know the flow) and I have only 2 - 3 MPA's. Clients will not be happy, and then they're going elsewhere you can bet on it = less business for the 2 - 3 MPA's going forward. This all is considered in a relatively short period, it's weighed. Next customer walks in the door, says "he called last evening" to make sure (a popular MPA) was working, client like some service asap. Manager say's, "Ya well, we had some issues." "But, you're in luck, we have this new girl, really good, you should take her?" Client immediately thinks to them self, "They lied to me, this is nothing more than B&S, this is not fair, I drove all the way here, I called them, this place sucks, they have a poor attitude, they lied, they don't care about customers, they don't listen, they are purposely trying to piss me off).

Meanwhile the SPA Manager likely knows what's going on in the client's head, see's it on his face, but she can't explain really much further, and besides it would not help. Sometimes the Manager might even say, if she has the goods, "You like me?" Client, "Well ya, you're hot and super smart, likely highly skilled." Manager, "You come with me then." Client leaves, still writes a negative review on a Board. The Manager gives some or all money to the new MPA.

Do you mostly agree with this type of thinking / scenario? Am I missing something, or is something above glaringly inaccurate in your experience? I was wondering about something at this time, especially after reading your post, thought I might ask you what you think? I had prepared a real long piece on B&S, really just that topic, but it's a super long read, way longer than what I posted here, which by your standards must seem like trilogy paperback novel already. Anyway, do you think posting something like that, a super long read on this Board is needed, would be accepted or even worth while?

The TL;DR version goes like, B&S - definition(s), misconception, example, roles within (client, manager, mpa), facts, known's, behaviours, accepting responsibility, a method to not only remove B&S but prevent it.

Just 4 Renee… shes the boss… gets awkward all yer staff sitting around & boss = busy… so she shares w them…

Annoying f/ our perspective, but her staff think, wow, shes giving away $$$ … giving us new clients!

Notice how loyal her girls are? Go back & read 2018 reviews… Julia, Lucy, Cindy… all still there…. Coco’s practically the new girl, been there many years now…

 

[xtc27]

Hey XTC, new guy here, but not new to the business

In this post you've made I noticed a few things, at least some of which are not often done. You compliment the boss well and I like your writing style because it can effectively highlight important points, but you also provide some details informing how things work (could be the same or similar elsewhere as well I suppose) and that all goes toward supporting your statement. It's done short and it's done sweet, nice.

In my opinion, in cases like these (and there's many more variations, again imo), but specifically for now in this case you describe, is it really, really, B&S when you break it all down? Not writing here about what I consider "real" B&S, that being where there's an unmistakable conscious effort to purposely deceive and manipulate a client as "the" business model. As opposed to the "appearance" and resemblance of B&S due to strategic methods used going towards success in achieving not just a business model, but in support of the MPA, maintaining quality MPA's, and sustainability overall. The end result or hope is, an ability to better service the client, not simply take his money and give him the boot never to be seen again - like most real B&S places.

An example might be: An MPA has had no customers through half the day, the two or three other girls have all had both repeat appoints made, and each at least taking in a one walk-in. All walk-in's preferring the busy girls, maybe they heard of them before, or it was looks, who knows and does not matter. The MPA without work is maybe new, the Manager see's what's going on here, the other girl's see it too, I'm thinking most times they (busy girl's) are not heartless and may become somehow involved and even might ask themselves, "why is the Manager not doing more to try and get this new MPA work?" Or more selfishly, the busy MPA's might think, "When the time comes and I need some help, I hope the Manager steps up for me, not just in these cases but anything else that might arise?" The Managers thinking, "Well, come busy time certainly the new MPA will get work, but if this keeps up, she might walk before then. At busy time, I'm faced with 5 customers every 30 minutes (they know the flow) and I have only 2 - 3 MPA's. Clients will not be happy, and then they're going elsewhere you can bet on it = less business for the 2 - 3 MPA's going forward. This all is considered in a relatively short period, it's weighed. Next customer walks in the door, says "he called last evening" to make sure (a popular MPA) was working, client like some service asap. Manager say's, "Ya well, we had some issues." "But, you're in luck, we have this new girl, really good, you should take her?" Client immediately thinks to them self, "They lied to me, this is nothing more than B&S, this is not fair, I drove all the way here, I called them, this place sucks, they have a poor attitude, they lied, they don't care about customers, they don't listen, they are purposely trying to piss me off).

Meanwhile the SPA Manager likely knows what's going on in the client's head, see's it on his face, but she can't explain really much further, and besides it would not help. Sometimes the Manager might even say, if she has the goods, "You like me?" Client, "Well ya, you're hot and super smart, likely highly skilled." Manager, "You come with me then." Client leaves, still writes a negative review on a Board. The Manager gives some or all money to the new MPA.

Do you mostly agree with this type of thinking / scenario? Am I missing something, or is something above glaringly inaccurate in your experience? I was wondering about something at this time, especially after reading your post, thought I might ask you what you think? I had prepared a real long piece on B&S, really just that topic, but it's a super long read, way longer than what I posted here, which by your standards must seem like trilogy paperback novel already. Anyway, do you think posting something like that, a super long read on this Board is needed, would be accepted or even worth while?

The TL;DR version goes like, B&S - definition(s), misconception, example, roles within (client, manager, mpa), facts, known's, behaviours, accepting responsibility, a method to not only remove B&S but prevent it.

U no… length only appreciated when it’s yer dick…

U gotta take scissors to that post! ✂

SL unique problem… spa mgr & owner = really hot better than some of her girls… & she’s famous… @ least here… so lotsa guys book her w/o knowing her…

So Renee thinks, give him any Asian girl , he’ll b happy… & she’s usually right…

But she did it 2me… substitue girl sat right in my lap b4 I new what’s happening… I literally lifted her 2 floor, got up, got dressed … & in came Renee! She ran, breathing hard…
She looked amazing!

… but nvr booked Renee again…

Best solution 4 this problem… let dude spend a few delightful moments w other girl, then reveal, oh, u wanted Renee… shall I leave?

Now it’s not B&S…it’s free sample! Lemme tell u, any SL sits in yer lap, hugs & giggles… very very very difficult 2 change girls…

Ella @ Ellagance mebbe only similar owner/ mpa… but seems like she only jumps in when other girls= busy… Renee gets annoyed when she’s not working in the rm…

Thats mebbe best thing about Renee… she’s really enjoying herself… oh, & damn sexy if u dig Asian spinners…

 

[Happyman]

Renee is a smart girl and she knows she is at her golden age (30+). She works for a few more years and some how she would gradually have to take a secondary role as a MPA. She would do whatever she can these few years to make money. She can then has the option to be like Ella@Ellagance, to work when other girls are busy or not to work at all. But in any case, she should be upfront with clients that she is not available but can have a good substitute.

 

[TheWhiteShadow]

U no… length only appreciated when it’s yer dick…

U gotta take scissors to that post! ✂

SL unique problem… spa mgr & owner = really hot better than some of her girls… & she’s famous… @ least here… so lotsa guys book her w/o knowing her…

So Renee thinks, give him any Asian girl , he’ll b happy… & she’s usually right…

But she did it 2me… substitue girl sat right in my lap b4 I new what’s happening… I literally lifted her 2 floor, got up, got dressed … & in came Renee! She ran, breathing hard…
She looked amazing!

… but nvr booked Renee again…

Best solution 4 this problem… let dude spend a few delightful moments w other girl, then reveal, oh, u wanted Renee… shall I leave?

Now it’s not B&S…it’s free sample! Lemme tell u, any SL sits in yer lap, hugs & giggles… very very very difficult 2 change girls…

Ella @ Ellagance mebbe only similar owner/ mpa… but seems like she only jumps in when other girls= busy… Renee gets annoyed when she’s not working in the rm…

Thats mebbe best thing about Renee… she’s really enjoying herself… oh, & damn sexy if u dig Asian spinners…

Damn!!! I need to get back to SL. Forgot how many good girls they actually have….

 

[ppc]

Renee is a smart girl and she knows she is at her golden age (30+). She works for a few more years and some how she would gradually have to take a secondary role as a MPA. She would do whatever she can these few years to make money. She can then has the option to be like Ella@Ellagance, to work when other girls are busy or not to work at all. But in any case, she should be upfront with clients that she is not available but can have a good substitute.

Right on with Ella. I wish she still works in Scarborough.

 

[Saugaslim]

After seeing a post on Semi legit visits by someone, I want to start some discussions on semi holistic.

My top pick is Flirt

Plus:
Great line up of young girls of different background and all speak excellent English, good facilities with a shower in each room,
Not only the place is spotless, the girls keep their body fresh with cleaning between clients.
HJ/NR/BS/DATY/DATO/light fetish/tip included in the price. Extras may be available with reasonable tipping
The setting is good, pretty much insulated with no disturbance during the session. Only can hear spankling occassionally.
Appointment is nicely organised, allow booking a week in advance. Can see line up without a deposit
A loyalty program that allows one (room fee) free after 10 visits

Negative:
Information of the girls on the site was used to be reasonable accurate, although pictures have been photoshopped to hide less attractive parts and bump up features that are non-existing. However, I found recently, age and other info may be misleading.
Kissing is getting limited due to COVID. Many great talents were gone and the new bloods have a lot to catch up in servicing and providing a GFE.

I have seen Rachel, Ember, Masie and Kat (left) recently and have written reviews on them.

Shangri la

The place is decently kept in terms of Asian spas standard. Rooms with a share shower. Beside massage, it has table shower but the water flow and temperature may be unpredictable. Most girls can give a memorable experience to guests. I have seen Renee and CoCo; both have numerous reviews and I have nothing more to add. The place has been highly graded by many but I would put Flirt on top of it because the girls in Flirt are a bit younger and have nice body. The good thing is SL is keep improving in servicing and they listen to feedback here (I learned girls are showering between clients now). Also, now seldom have those complaints that happened in early stage of opening e.g. greedy in charges anymore. Glad to see SL is moving up on the whole and have more girls.

I am sure there are many more places and girls that worth seeing. I hope the above would start a delightful and unbiased exchange of information on Semi holistic playground. It would be nice that no promoter would take advantage of this thread to promote their spas and we, hobbyists can freely share our experience lovely.

The ladies spanking or being spanked at Flirt?

 

[Happyman]

Could be both ways, depends on the girl. I would do it not to the extend to hurt anyone. One MPA who I had fun with did not want any red marks left on her body, therefore she did not want to being spanked continuously, but only one stroke at a time (with a break, spanking her left and right butt in alternative). Again, make sure the girl agrees and not to cause any unfavourable consequences to avoid trouble. If you are serious in this game, you can get a spanking board from the Manager. I never use one though.

 

[Happyman]

I am sure you want to spank this Goddess too. Unfortunately, like many top talents, she retired and that's the issue that Flirt has now.