Have you got the Vaccine

Have you got the vaccine?

  • I already got the vaccine

    Votes: 510 82.5%
  • I have an appointment scheduled

    Votes: 9 1.5%
  • I'm still undecided

    Votes: 8 1.3%
  • I'm waiting to see how things go

    Votes: 23 3.7%
  • I'm not getting the vaccine

    Votes: 68 11.0%

  • Total voters
    618
No, I did well in math.

You are making the same mistake every one else is. You are including irrelevant population pools in the math. Not all 330M Americans have contracted Covid, only 10% of the population even caught it. You don’t include those that never contracted Covid in the denominator of an equation when assessing the percentage of people that die from the disease (deaths / cases).

33.4M Americans have contracted Covid (only 10% due to social distancing, mask wearing and other mitigation procedures). The 1.8% is 0.6M dead divided by 33.4M cases. It’s the “Case Fatality Rate”.

One cannot die from it if they never got it to begin with. One cannot claim to be a Cancer survivor if they never had cancer.

Another way to think about is if your 0.2% rate is accurate what was it months ago (0.1%) and a year ago (0.05%). Why does that percentage keep going up and up rather than remaining somewhat static? The answer is the death rate is rising with the number of people catching it. 10% have caught it now, 5% months ago and 2.5% a year ago. When that 10% climbs to 100% then that 0.2% will climb as well (up to close to 2% (or the 1.8% we’re talking about already)). If the entire population of the US contracted Covid then a straight-line extrapolation of that 600k dead would bring total deaths up to 6M+ If the 10% of the population that caught Covid grows to 100%. But the Case Fatality Rate (1.8%) remains quite static even as the infection rate grows. At 10% infections it’s 1.8%, at 5% infection rate it’s 1.8%, at 15% infection rate it will be around 1.8%
The case fatality rate is irrelevant when determining the risk to the population in general. And contrary to your assertion as the cases grew over time, the case fatality rate dropped. It didn't remain static. So your method of straight line extrapolation would be erroneous. You also fail to take into account the (likely) millions of Americans who caught Covid19 but had little to no symptoms, didn't get tested and thus are not included in the statistics. It was estimated that 65+ million Americans were infected with the H1N1 swine flu back in 2009. I'd start with that as a realistic estimate of how many Americans caught Covid19 but I wouldn't be surprised if its even higher.
 
No - 90% efficacy means 10% will still catch covid....people like Ducharme and countless others still to come, because hundreds of millions have been vaccinated, so there will be a very significant amount of people who will become infected despite their double vaccinations.

Good on you...but apparently grade 4 math is beyond these guys.

You could have added that of the 10% of the fully vaccinated who catch covid, some vanishingly small percentage of those will die from it. When you are talking about millions and millions of people, obviously those fully vaccinated covid deaths will number in the thousands....but that would break their brains.
 
The case fatality rate is irrelevant when determining the risk to the population in general. And contrary to your assertion as the cases grew over time, the case fatality rate dropped. It didn't remain static. So your method of straight line extrapolation would be erroneous. You also fail to take into account the (likely) millions of Americans who caught Covid19 but had little to no symptoms, didn't get tested and thus are not included in the statistics. It was estimated that 65+ million Americans were infected with the H1N1 swine flu back in 2009. I'd start with that as a realistic estimate of how many Americans caught Covid19 but I wouldn't be surprised if its even higher.

Correct.
 
Another important factor to note is that all of those who are hospitalized with Covid have one common factor, they are not vaccinated.
 
Another important factor to note is that all of those who are hospitalized with Covid have one common factor, they are not vaccinated.
Most yes, not all. There are some people who have recieved only one shot currently in the UHN hospitals. A nurse told me there was one fully vaccinated person as well however, they were admitted a few days after they received their second shot. Unfortunately, you're not fully vaccinated until 2 weeks after your second.
 
So, you're not taking the vaccine then? You're going to feel like a prisoner.

You got a point, and I think we are prisoners of our own mind and freedom ist not for free.

Taking the jab in exchange of freedom is not a good solution and only short term.

The Question is how may jabs are you willing to take?

The sad part is the pro jabbers taking the jab and having side-effects and opting out, get more ridiculed than the WoMan not buying it from the beginning.
 
A couple of observations. The comments from the pro vaxxers are usually insulting and name calling, 'anyone who doesn’t see things my way is a 'dumb fuck,' that sort of vitriol. Those who have done some research and determined that they choose not to get a non approved experimental gene therapy shot into them, seem to post links and opinions and sources of information of others to back up their thinking, usually not going the insult route. Very telling.
Fortunately we live in a country that is, so far, a free country, allowing all to make their own choices. It’s clear from the comments, who watches lamestream media and those who seek out other known and reputable sources of information. 'My government would never lie to me, the news is always telling the truth.' This seems to be the thinking of those that buy into the virus and vax story. And looking at the comments, I really do hope that much of the information about possible effects of the mRNA technology do come to fruition, the world will be a better place.
 
I can't recall whether I insulted you personally, if I did, my bad. I try not to do that. But your "gene therapy" comment certainly seems worthy of ridicule.

I'm torn over the question of mandatory vaccinations. I want to max out the choice for everyone, and when it comes to Covid, I don't think the risks are serious enough to warrant forced vaccinations. However, if we were faced with a more serious virus, or even if sufficient numbers of people declined to get this vaccine and thereby allowed this one to possibly mutate into something more dangerous, then yes, we'd have to look at possibly forcing people to be vaccinated. That's just common sense.
 
Those who have done some research and determined that they choose not to get a non approved experimental gene therapy shot into them, seem to post links and opinions and sources of information of others to back up their thinking

You hit the nail on the head here. You just forgot to mention that almost all these sources are not credible and are from people not qualified to speak on the subject. Most of these "expert" opinions are from chiropractors, opthalmologists and naturopaths. Sure, they're doctors, but that's not really saying much. If you have cancer, are you going to take advice from your dentist?

Also, anti vaxxers go out of their way to force people not to get the shot. This is evident by all the anti vax threads on a massage forum. Is there even one pro vax thread on here convincing anti-vaxxers to get the shot?

Like you said, it's a free country and you don't have to get the shot if you don't want to. Over 75% of Ontario has received one shot, so that's over 10 million of us. If we end up dying in 2-5 years, then so be it. It was our choice, so I'm not sure why you and other anti vaxxers care so much.
 
lol no... the vaccine can cause ED, infertility among other things like blood clots and heart inflammation.
 
A couple of observations. The comments from the pro vaxxers are usually insulting and name calling, 'anyone who doesn’t see things my way is a 'dumb fuck,' that sort of vitriol. Those who have done some research and determined that they choose not to get a non approved experimental gene therapy shot into them, seem to post links and opinions and sources of information of others to back up their thinking, usually not going the insult route. Very telling.
Fortunately we live in a country that is, so far, a free country, allowing all to make their own choices. It’s clear from the comments, who watches lamestream media and those who seek out other known and reputable sources of information. 'My government would never lie to me, the news is always telling the truth.' This seems to be the thinking of those that buy into the virus and vax story. And looking at the comments, I really do hope that much of the information about possible effects of the mRNA technology do come to fruition, the world will be a better place.
If you are referring to me calling Stripfan and altaguetta “dumb fucks” in post #254 that is not a pro-vaxxer vs anti-vaxxer thing at all. Search the threads moved to the chat and the one on Trump insurrectionists. Me calling them dumb fucks started there but only after they started the insults with me first. My rule (I’ve posted it here on a few occasions) is that I don’t drop the gloves first, but once dropped they never go back on. So, you’ll see me calling those two idiots, morons, dumb fucks, etc. over and over on many different subjects in many threads. You see the same language in responses I give to Dietwoke, Ursus and even Jimmyd for the very same reason but you’ll not see me use it with sy barite as, even though he and I don’t agree on much, he hasn’t thrown down the gloves and started with any derogatory language insults thrown my way.

I tailor the language in my responses to the specific recipient(s) and not a group.
 
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thereby allowed this one to possibly mutate into something more dangerous, then yes, we'd have to look at possibly forcing people to be vaccinated. That's just common sense.
The greater the number of vaccinations, the greater the chance of a "superbug" emerging. This is what happened with hospital bacteria a few decades ago. The delta variant doesn't seem to have much trouble getting through the vaccines, implying that it's a development brought about by mass vaccination.
 
The greater the number of vaccinations, the greater the chance of a "superbug" emerging. This is what happened with hospital bacteria a few decades ago. The delta variant doesn't seem to have much trouble getting through the vaccines, implying that it's a development brought about by mass vaccination.

Mutations will happen independent of vaccines. What should the world do, not develop treatments to battle sickness?
 
Been away for a while. Good to see the debates on important topics though not related to massage are still around and thriving. Opinions and discussion over forums are good entertainment.

My stance is this. I believe in the vaccines. You can not argue with the results they have produced. Worldwide they have been amazing. Here in Ontario we went from 4000+ cases per day in April with piss poor vaccine rollout, to under 300 now with more than enough vaccines for everyone.

Are the vaccines perfect? No. But there has Never ever been one that is. Most of you are not old enough to know much about other pandemics of past… latest being polio…. But you would not be here without a vaccine for that. The science that went on to create what we have now is nothing short of incredible. 90%+ efficacy! That is insane. And 100% guaranteed you won’t die FROM THE DISEASE.

Are there chances of something happening? Yes. VIIT is a real thing and it is unfortunate and it is even more unfortunate how it was handled. Even Pfizer now has a small thing about heart inflammation and possibility of myocarditis. Also unfortunate. But in the grand scheme of things….. in my opinion they are still worth it.

Many many people die from allergic reactions to medicines each year. Penicillin, insulin….. fuck even peanuts and shellfish can kill you. But you don’t see people arguing on forums about that!

We live in a world where new is scary and will always have skeptics and theorists. What IS true is facts and numbers. The virus isn’t going away by itself. It is going away because a huge SIGNIFICANT number of people have weighed the pros and cons and had their vaccines. This reduces the overall viral load present in every setting from workplaces to hospitals, from Walmart to birthday parties. We are now winning, and it is only because of the vaccines.

To me, it doesn’t matter if you get it or not. I did, two doses, and I know I’m going to be fine. 6 months ago I didn’t know that. Nobody did. Now roughly 25% of people in Ontario can say that and more and more each day.

What happens then is this: those who choose to go unvaccinated will eventually get sick and build their own immunity that way, or they won’t. They may die. That’s their choice. Eventually through time with that (I estimate 10% unvaccinated over the next year) the viral load will not be enough to survive and Covid will be behind us. So in the end, those who choose to not get protected will help in one way or another.

Anyway, life is a choice. What you do with it is up to you. At this point, we are well on our way to getting through this so no hard feelings if that’s what you want to do. Thank you to all who have, I’ll buy you a round perhaps in Maui or Montego Bay maybe one day, while those who stood up for their “freedom” are stuck here.
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You tell em. Lots of deaths happen all the time. They want to tie everything to the vaccine because they think the virus is a hoax. These guys are nothing but Drunk Trump lovers.

Wouldn’t Trump lovers get the vaccine, since he got it? IMG_8563.jpg


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What the Hell!

I'm sorry Guys you are all wrong and playing in the rabbit hole, just the way they like it.

Never mind the numbers are provided by a private institution, worldwide to all Governments.


It takes years to develop the apps and programs they are implementing now.

Event 201 exercise Oct 2019
((Event 201 was a 3.5-hour pandemic tabletop exercise that simulated a series of dramatic, scenario-based facilitated discussions, confronting difficult, true-to-life dilemmas associated with response to a hypothetical, but scientifically plausible, pandemic. 15 global business, government, and public health leaders were players in the simulation exercise that highlighted unresolved real-world policy and economic issues that could be solved with sufficient political will, financial investment, and attention now and in the future.

I really hope more people wake up and understand this is not about the baby Virus. This is a scam in the making for over 20 years.
 
What the Hell!

I'm sorry Guys you are all wrong and playing in the rabbit hole, just the way they like it.

Never mind the numbers are provided by a private institution, worldwide to all Governments.


It takes years to develop the apps and programs they are implementing now.

Event 201 exercise Oct 2019
((Event 201 was a 3.5-hour pandemic tabletop exercise that simulated a series of dramatic, scenario-based facilitated discussions, confronting difficult, true-to-life dilemmas associated with response to a hypothetical, but scientifically plausible, pandemic. 15 global business, government, and public health leaders were players in the simulation exercise that highlighted unresolved real-world policy and economic issues that could be solved with sufficient political will, financial investment, and attention now and in the future.

I really hope more people wake up and understand this is not about the baby Virus. This is a scam in the making for over 20 years.

They organized this dastardly plan...and then advertised it on a web page. Let me guess, you don't like jews do you?
 
They organized this dastardly plan...and then advertised it on a web page. Let me guess, you don't like jews do you?
Nope no problems with any religion or race. I don't like morons, and pointless assumptions, however being woke I feel pity .
 
I can't recall whether I insulted you personally, if I did, my bad. I try not to do that. But your "gene therapy" comment certainly seems worthy of ridicule.

I'm torn over the question of mandatory vaccinations. I want to max out the choice for everyone, and when it comes to Covid, I don't think the risks are serious enough to warrant forced vaccinations. However, if we were faced with a more serious virus, or even if sufficient numbers of people declined to get this vaccine and thereby allowed this one to possibly mutate into something more dangerous, then yes, we'd have to look at possibly forcing people to be vaccinated. That's just common sense.
"Gene therapy," is not a 'comment,' it is not something I came up with, it is what the companies that have designed and produced it call it, virologists as well.. Ridicule all you like.
Most of your second paragraph is far more worthy of ridicule. I’m guessing you’re not familiar with the charter of rights and freedoms and the constitution act. That’s ok.
 
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  36. Jenny’s Spa:
    🎉🍒JENNY’S SPA🎉🍒 ✅5170 DUNDAS STREET WEST✅ 👌ETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4👌 ☎️( 647-893-5196)☎️Call or Text ☎️( 437-888-3759)☎️Call Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅GRAND OPENING💯NEW GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥EXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNY’S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥TWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥 💯REAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS💯 🔥TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: Cindy😘 - A stunning new massage girl from
  37. すみません:
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  38. JerryWangWw:
    Suko spa every day have 7 different style girls working here please call 905-597-8880
  39. wonderspa:
    🌺welcome to wonder spa☎️416-5000-800,L6a4H8,open10 to10.we have 4young beautiful girls working everyday,Ensuit shower available 🍅, friendly nice girl Sunny providing deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide🍅joey is very good looking,big big breasted sweet sensual oil touch,amazing massage really popular 🔥🌹give you comfortable warm time🌺
  40. Annie Spa:
    🎉🍒ANNIE SPA🎉🍒 ✅7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLE✅ 👌SCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6👌 ☎️ (647) 891-9688☎️ ☎️ (416) 291-8879☎️ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥🔥 🔥GORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Judy😘🔥Our new Asian massage girl Judy is a vision of refined sensuality, with a graceful figure and smooth, flawless skin that radiates warmth and allure. Her striking black hair frames her delicate features, and her poised elegance
  41. Lulu1980:
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  42. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Lala,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Helen , Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry,🏠 address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2☎️4376655510 👅👅🈵🈵👄👄🦵🦵
  43. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Anika , Student pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Michelle,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella, Taiwan girl DD Boobs Thai deep massage lily,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .☎️4379857899🦵🦵👅👅👄👄🈵🈵
  44. AliceSpa:
    SUNDAY at 𝗔𝗟𝗜𝗖𝗘 𝗦𝗣𝗔, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟮𝟵𝟴-𝟬𝟴𝟵𝟴. 3 Amazingly Hot Top Girls Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm: JENNY: is young , C cup, big ass, from Taiwan, Passionate, fs good at all all postions, available all services: bbbj , CIM , DFK Come on face , love shower together...always respects customers. JOJO: is a busty JAPANESE girl, nice DD Cup boobs
  45. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 5 young beautiful girls are working today, young cute student Kitty 25’s young pretty Lily 25’s with curve body and young fun Ivy 36DD with big buttocks open mind 30’s, sexy Coco and sweet GFE Ella are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  46. Pink Flower Spa:
  47. HollywoodSpa:
    Sunday at 🎭𝗛𝗢𝗟𝗟𝗬𝗪𝗢𝗢𝗗 𝗦𝗣𝗔🎭, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: JUDY & YUKI. ☎416-222-5554☎ JUDY is friendly and attractive. Come & give her a try. YUKI is a slim & exiting, happy lady. Nice massage & services available. When you visit 🎭Hollywood Spa🎭, you will be treated with tender care and your visit will be a fulfilling one. Nice Massage, Young Pretty Girls.
  48. ForeverWarden:
    Sunday at 🫦❤️🔴🟥♾️𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓢𝓟𝓐♾️🟥🔴❤️🫦2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟴𝟬𝟬-𝟳𝟴𝟴𝟳: Bobo, Vivian & Cindy. Bobo is a small, slim and sexy lady, petite with all natural busty melons for your enjoyment. Vivian is an attractive slim Vietnamese honey with C Cups, who can sweeten your day with daty, bj and cfs Cindy is a slim beauty, 5’4”, natural C Cups.
  49. HolidaySpa:
    Sunday at 🌴😎🌅𝓗𝓸𝓵𝓲𝓭𝓪𝔂 𝓢𝓹𝓪🌅😎🌴3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough ☎️𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟮𝟰𝟳-𝟭𝟭𝟵𝟵☎️: Jenny & Suki. Jenny has a medium build, nicely curvy with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy. PEACH is a slim and sultry Chinese lady with nice peaches. SUKI is a sexy lady, short with big boobs, medium massage & nice services.
  50. SugarLoveSpa:
    Sunday at ❤️💙 💜⎝𝗦𝗨𝗚𝗔𝗥 𝗟𝗢𝗩𝗘 𝗦𝗣𝗔⎠💖💗💘: ANA, JENNY & LISA. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5’1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. JENNY is a sweet & young Korean girl with C Cups. Very versatile services. LISA is cute & petite
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