Chat Can you trust spa girls...

Visiting these ladies, to me many times seems to be a form of accelerated dating. The business part of it is a guard rail where you can get really close to them. The time and money spent tends to be so economically favourable as opposed to going through the conventional process with civvies.
For me the biggest inhibitor of things progressing, aside from the fact we met at a spa, is the communication barrier. The physical and emotional connection is like a 2 legged stool.
You are bang on regarding the accelerated aspect at play here. One lady I lunched with a few times, just as chatty as me and loved a real conversation, said that it was weird that we had spent a good amount of time naked and sweaty before becoming actual friends and confidantes.
 
So what are those pros and cons
What does crossing the line entail?
I'm sure exchanging numbers is the first step, messaging into grabbing a bite outside the spa.
But what is there to gain? At what cost/risk.
Should I be content with a hour long visit and keep that fantasy outta reach?
That special feeling and connection, the temptation to take things further keeps things feeling electric without getting burned

If I'm being honest, pros are mostly the physical aspect of things. But some are very fun to hang out with as well. A lot of my buddies don't have that much time anymore to hang out (family obligations), plus many are not Asian. So it's fun to go out with a spa girl for some good Asian food, watch an Asian movie, Karaoke, etc...cons are it can get quite time consuming and if you get attached to them, then obviously with the nature of their work, you will get jealous from time to time.

I was just using your words about "crossing the line". I assumed you meant seeing them outside the spa is considered crossing the line...

Yes, exchanging contact info is the first step, then (usually at the spa) you joke around about going out sometime and you gage their reaction to see if they're receptive to it (most are lol). I've actually had a bunch of girls ask me out first...I'm no Brad Pitt so a lot of times, I think they are just seeking companionship with someone they have things in common with.

There's a lot to gain ๐Ÿ˜. With some girls I'm close to, they have husbands or BFs already. These are the ideal ones because it's basically a NSA relationship and the risk of getting too close to them is reduced (unlike the single girl that I'm so attracted to). Conversely, they know where things stand with me too and are less likely to get too emotionally attached.

Whether you want to keep things in the room or not is your decision...I don't see any harm in 'extending' the fantasy outside the room but you need to be very careful not to get too attached. If you're the jealous type, I strongly recommend you keep things in the room. And just be aware that most of the time, the relationship will not have a story book ending (funny enough, I find that the relationships that last the longest are the ones where they already have a significant other). In one of the relationships where I was in deep with a girl that was single, I knew I ultimately could not give her what she needed. When it ended, it took me months to get over that (we're still friends to this day)...I know this will eventually happen with this other girl too but I'm no where near as close to her as I was with the other girl...it will still sting a lot regardless.

Keep us up-to-date with your potential endeavors ๐Ÿ™‚, it's always fun and entertaining to read about other guy's adventures 'outside the spa'. I find most reviews are not that entertaining, we should all know what's going on in the room by now.

When I was completely anonymous, I used to post a lot more about my adventures, like the first girl I got close to, first time at a hotel, first time having them over at my place, etc...you can probably still find these threads if you search on them. But obviously I never revealed who these girls were (and I wouldn't say in PMs either).

These days, too many girls know who I am on here so I can't post as freely as I used to...I may even have to delete this thread at some point (like I have with other threads of mine).
 
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I remember reading your earliest posts, quite sincere, thoughtful and entertaining. I also remember you saying you had ladies over to your house, and my immediate thought was you mean half your house, and half your house sooner than later if things got sticky. Stay you, authentically you OG, you are one of the good ones here. Maybe a little too good.

Happy New years full of good health and success. Also remember, everything in moderation... including moderation.
 
If I'm being honest, pros are mostly the physical aspect of things. But some are very fun to hang out with as well. A lot of my buddies don't have that much time anymore to hang out (family obligations), plus many are not Asian. So it's fun to go out with a spa girl for some good Asian food, watch an Asian movie, Karaoke, etc...cons are it can get quite time consuming and if you get attached to them, then obviously with the nature of their work, you will get jealous from time to time.

I was just using your words about "crossing the line". I assumed you meant seeing them outside the spa is considered crossing the line...

Yes, exchanging contact info is the first step, then (usually at the spa) you joke around about going out sometime and you gage their reaction to see if they're receptive to it (most are lol). I've actually had a bunch of girls ask me out first...I'm no Brad Pitt so a lot of times, I think they are just seeking companionship with someone they have things in common with.

There's a lot to gain ๐Ÿ˜. With some girls I'm close to, they have husbands or BFs already. These are the ideal ones because it's basically a NSA relationship and the risk of getting too close to them is reduced (unlike the single girl that I'm so attracted to). Conversely, they know where things stand with me too and are less likely to get too emotionally attached.

Whether you want to keep things in the room or not is your decision...I don't see any harm in 'extending' the fantasy outside the room but you need to be very careful not to get too attached. If you're the jealous type, I strongly recommend you keep things in the room. And just be aware that most of the time, the relationship will not have a story book ending (funny enough, I find that the relationships that last the longest are the ones where they already have a significant other). In one of the relationships where I was in deep with a girl that was single, I knew I ultimately could not give her what she needed. When it ended, it took me months to get over that (we're still friends to this day)...I know this will eventually happen with this other girl too but I'm no where near as close to her as I was with the other girl...it will still sting a lot regardless.

Keep us up-to-date with your potential endeavors ๐Ÿ™‚, it's always fun and entertaining to read about other guy's adventures 'outside the spa'. I find most reviews are not that entertaining, we should all know what's going on in the room by now.

When I was completely anonymous, I used to post a lot more about my adventures, like the first girl I got close to, first time at a hotel, first time having them over at my place, etc...you can probably still find these threads if you search on them. But obviously I never revealed who these girls were (and I wouldn't say in PMs either).

These days, too many girls know who I am on here so I can't post as freely as I used to...I may even have to delete this thread at some point (like I have with other threads of mine).
Yeah that's what I was looking for! A golden response. Between you and Ambler I got some solid advice tonight from some vets!
Also I gotta try dig up some of these stories as you said most reviews aren't worth the squeeze
 
Ok. Belly full of hotpot. Things got hot and heavy today seeing an MPA. I really wanted to do the deed and so did she but semi rules being semi rules.. none of that. :(. Long story short, now I have her number but she doesnโ€™t really speak English and I am still learning Mandarin. We used google translate during the session. I want to text her but I donโ€™t know if what Google spits out will sound stupid or not ๐Ÿ˜‚

Whatโ€™s the best way to make light conversation in Chinese? Ahhhhhโ€ฆ
 
So what are those pros and cons
What does crossing the line entail?
I'm sure exchanging numbers is the first step, messaging into grabbing a bite outside the spa.
But what is there to gain? At what cost/risk.
Should I be content with a hour long visit and keep that fantasy outta reach?
That special feeling and connection, the temptation to take things further keeps things feeling electric without getting burned

Go ahead and cross the line, sport; it will probably end badly, but you'll get over it. I say this from experience: it's a life lesson I seem unable to learn. And as our own Alfred Lord Ambler reminded above: "Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.โ€
 
Happy new years everyone!

Anyone have new year resolutions as it relates to hobbying?

For me, I will try to take 2 days off from hobbying each week (but it will be tough) ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ™
 
Happy new years everyone!

Anyone have new year resolutions as it relates to hobbying?

For me, I will try to take 2 days off from hobbying each week (but it will be tough) ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ™
Hahaha trying to cut down on spending. So I guess fewer trips or cut tips. What to do..
 
Happy new years everyone!

Anyone have new year resolutions as it relates to hobbying?

For me, I will try to take 2 days off from hobbying each week (but it will be tough) ๐Ÿ™‚๐Ÿ™
oh yeah, i forgot about weight lifting goal - be able to hoist amy@aria (or similar girl if she's not up for it) up and perform daty on her while standing up. and her against a wall, obviously :) I have no idea how easy that would be or if the fear of being dropped would make it not enjoyable for her.
 
My spa girl decided she couldn't trust me....Our connection was real, and we were both feeling it, but now itโ€™s gone. Today, I thought about taking a step forward. Midway through, things shiftedโ€”she became very inquisitive and doubtful. What really hurt was when I asked her what had changed. She just said, You donโ€™t owe me anything. You donโ€™t need to tell me more about yourself, youโ€™re just a client

When I asked her if we could get it back (the magic), she simply said, Weโ€™ve caught feelings, and thereโ€™s no going back.

The coldness burns and to be treated as any other client without that spark.... It sucks.
 
My spa girl decided she couldn't trust me....Our connection was real, and we were both feeling it, but now itโ€™s gone. Today, I thought about taking a step forward. Midway through, things shiftedโ€”she became very inquisitive and doubtful. What really hurt was when I asked her what had changed. She just said, You donโ€™t owe me anything. You donโ€™t need to tell me more about yourself, youโ€™re just a client

When I asked her if we could get it back (the magic), she simply said, Weโ€™ve caught feelings, and thereโ€™s no going back.

The coldness burns and to be treated as any other client without that spark.... It sucks.
Ouch dude. That sucks :(
 
My spa girl decided she couldn't trust me....Our connection was real, and we were both feeling it, but now itโ€™s gone. Today, I thought about taking a step forward. Midway through, things shiftedโ€”she became very inquisitive and doubtful. What really hurt was when I asked her what had changed. She just said, You donโ€™t owe me anything. You donโ€™t need to tell me more about yourself, youโ€™re just a client

When I asked her if we could get it back (the magic), she simply said, Weโ€™ve caught feelings, and thereโ€™s no going back.

The coldness burns and to be treated as any other client without that spark.... It sucks.

I'm curious. Why would she think she couldn't trust you anymore?
 
My spa girl decided she couldn't trust me....Our connection was real, and we were both feeling it, but now itโ€™s gone. Today, I thought about taking a step forward. Midway through, things shiftedโ€”she became very inquisitive and doubtful. What really hurt was when I asked her what had changed. She just said, You donโ€™t owe me anything. You donโ€™t need to tell me more about yourself, youโ€™re just a client

When I asked her if we could get it back (the magic), she simply said, Weโ€™ve caught feelings, and thereโ€™s no going back.

The coldness burns and to be treated as any other client without that spark.... It sucks.
In this job the other clients are a distraction for a relationship. Maybe she found a better version of you. Happens to me all the time.
 
I'm curious. Why would she think she couldn't trust you anymore?
Through our conversations I was very guarded on sharing personal info. She felt she gave everything and I was not reciprocating that emotionally. The feelings we had we're real but I was content giving little up but gaining everything I wanted out of our connection. We hit the point of no return quicker than I would have liked.
Now is the dilemma do I walk away or do I try rekindle by being more open and honest in what I'm looking for
 
Through our conversations I was very guarded on sharing personal info. She felt she gave everything and I was not reciprocating that emotionally. The feelings we had we're real but I was content giving little up but gaining everything I wanted out of our connection. We hit the point of no return quicker than I would have liked.
Now is the dilemma do I walk away or do I try rekindle by being more open and honest in what I'm looking for

Rekindle the relationship! ๐Ÿ˜
 
Man.. at the minimum itโ€™s a good learning experience for the future - gotta give and take. Anything thatโ€™s too one sided is doomed to failure.
Yeah that's a good prospective in terms of a learning experience
 
Yeah that's a good prospective in terms of a learning experience

Never let em' see you sweat! The moment you show any of these sex workers you are becoming emotionally attached they will break your fucking heart. Treat them as they are what they are and they will always be happy to see you walking through the door. Love is for civilians - not sex workers - have fun but remain ALOOF...
 
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  29. SL East Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Sexy Saturday๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 9 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” Cici, Yoyo, Amber, Juliet, GFE Eva, Doris,๐Ÿ†•Julia, Julie& Jennyโ€” ๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - Your Black Friday Bliss is Here!๐Ÿ™Œ
  30. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa :๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Saturday Schedule : โค๏ธElena ( Latino ) Big Nature Boobs & SuSu ( Asian )Slim , all bbbj Dfk ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Porn Service ๐Ÿ”ฅDuo ๐Ÿ”ฅ,โ˜Ž๏ธ 6475318288
  31. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Table shower body scrub Sea Salt Bath๐Ÿ‘every day 3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Nice girl Ivy โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 36 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Suki๐Ÿ˜˜ deep tissue massage, back walking has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will
  32. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful CiCi working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ
  33. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅBEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Massage with
  34. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10.we have 4young beautiful girls working everyday,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…,new friendly nice girl CiCi,providing oil deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide,back work,๐Ÿ…nice Vietnamese Amy is very good looking,big breasted sweet looking,open maid,let you feeling warm and comfortable time๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ
  35. HollywoodSpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: COCO & SISI. โ˜Ž416-222-5554โ˜Ž COCO is an attractive attendant with nice massage skills & good services. SISI is a sweet slim beauty, 5โ€™2โ€, with a beauty ass, excellent massage, and amazing services. Come and see why she is so popular. TRACY is a slim, taller & pretty lady, very friendly with an extensive menu.
  36. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Mia๏ผŒyoung girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Aad,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Yoyo,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  37. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young fun student Kitty 26โ€™s with curve body open mind and young pretty Michelle 25โ€™s with curve body open mind, sexy flirty Yoyo with 36DD big buttocks open mind and sweet GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  38. Moneylee:
    Full season Wellness center: New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Emily, Student big boobs buttocks Vicky ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Linda , young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Cici, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ
  39. ForeverWarden:
    Saturday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Kiki, Sara & Tracy. Sara is young & slim with nice C Cups, trim waist, sexy bum and long hair. She is vary friendly uses her assets well. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner, about 5โ€™1โ€ and 100 lbs. She is very popular for her exotic massage & services.
  40. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธValentina๐ŸŒธCandyCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  41. HolidaySpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY & MAGGIE. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! Maggie is sweet, slim and very talented. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด 3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4 (Kennedy Rd & Steeles Ave E)
  42. AliceSpa:
    SATURDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 416-298-0898 [/color] Alice spa has 3 attractive honeys today. Open 10am to 9pm: JENNY: is young , C cup, big ass, from Taiwan, Passionate, fs good at all all postions, available all services: bbbj , CIM , DFK Come on face , love shower together...always respects customers.
  43. SugarLoveSpa:
    Saturday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CHRISTINA, LUNA, SARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open minded. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs, with a full set
  44. Golden Flower Spa:
  45. BlueXado Therapy & Spa:
  46. Pink Flower Spa:
  47. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Judy๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅOur new Asian massage girl Judy is a vision of refined sensuality, with a graceful figure and smooth, flawless skin that radiates warmth and allure. Her striking black hair frames her delicate features, and her poised elega
  48. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga We have two girls working today. Suki and Water. Suki is thin but cute. She has a great smile and good massage skills. Water is young, pretty, tall, good in English and massage
  49. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Mia Vietnamese sweetheart girl with amazing personality Suki From Taiwan, sweet girl Barbie Petite Korea Part time School girl Elena Vietnamese sweetheart girl Natalie filipina mixed Petite girl โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  50. Double_Tree:
    ๐Ÿ’ž๐Ÿ’‹4271 Sheppard Avenue east โคSaturday, ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’žNina, tall and full build, very experienced touch that will relax you and relieve all stress. ๐Ÿ’ฅ๐Ÿ’ž โ€ŠXixi,๐Ÿ’‹ medium height and build and nicely curved. Pretty, dark hair to shoulder. Nice relaxation technique and over the top finish+. ๐Ÿ“ž416 293-5071๐Ÿ“ž
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